Gay-Bashing, Child Raping “Conservative Christian” Derek Logue Claims Pagans Have No Morals!


More specifically, convicted child rapist Derek Logue is claiming that Pagans Against Child Abuse, of which I am a member, is hypocritical because as Pagans we “reject the legal, god-given boundaries of sexuality” unlike people like him who have been convicted of raping an 11-year-old girl.

Before we go any further, let’s learn a little about Derek Logue. From Wikisposure:

Derek W. Logue, aka “thefallenone”, “fallenone”, or “F1”, is a registered sex offender[1] and active RSO activist who currently resides in Cincinnati, Ohio. He is classified on the public registry as a “sexual predator.” In 2000, at the age of 24, Derek was convicted of 1st Degree sexual assault of an 11-year-old child in Alabama. He served three years in the Bullock County Correctional Facility in Union Springs, Alabama and moved to Ohio following his release. A psychological evaluation described him as, “self-centered, self-indulgent, and passively-dependent upon others.” That’s a fairly accurate description of Derek. ately, Derek has put most of his effort into maintaining his own website because he doesn’t work well with others. In fact, Derek doesn’t really care about anyone but himself. In one breath he will claim that, “he is rehabilitated,” then in the next he will make statements eluding to the fact that his 11-year-old child victim deserved what he did to her because, “she was corrupt long before I met her.”

In his “FallenOne” guise, Logue runs a hysterical (in both senses of the word) Web site called Once Fallen dedicated to crying about how unfair it is that dangerous predators are put on registries designed to keep them from working in summer camps and promoting his self-published screed which is dedicated to crying about how unfair it is that dangerous predators are put on registries designed to keep them from working in summer camps. I won’t link to his so-called book. I don’t recommend anyone buy it since it’s literally a rehash of his online writings which he circulates widely. Aside from all the weepy tirades about oppression, Once Fallen is otherwise known to dabble in Alex Jonesian conspiracy theories and to break Godwin’s Law with reckless abandon.

Logue also seemingly has a new venue in the supposedly Conservative but very much Christian online abortion called The Cypress Times where publisher John Winder not only allowed him to write a pro-child rapist agi-prop piece filled with lies and misinformation but then shut down comments that took the author to task:

Added: November 24, 2009. 01:40 PM CST
Further Commentary on This Article Is Closed
If you wish to continue the dialogue with Mr. Logue, I would suggest using the links he provided in the article. Commentary here is now closed due to it’s inflammatory and mean-spirited nature.

John G. Winder – Publisher, The Cypress Times

Yes. We couldn’t have mean spirited commentary directed at a man who raped a little girl and then claims to be a victim of an un-Christian American society. Think I’m making that up? Here’s a quote:

Our society is so plagued by myths, mistruths, and misconceptions, I could write a book about it. Actually, I did write a book, entitled “Once Fallen,” a look at the “other side” of this issue, along with a free fact based site on sex offender laws and issues ( Over the course of my research, I found we have forsaken programs that work in favor of fear-based and anger-based legislation.


Exploitation of children goes far beyond abuse, as many organizations are selling fear and anger to the masses while reaping the benefits. There is no incentive to offer a rational solution to this crisis, because a solution means loss of business.

Sadly, many churches and “Christians” also jump on the bandwagon; many churches deny services to sex offenders, who are also in need of God’s giving grace and salvation. Recently, the Jefferson Hills Christian Church in Imperial, Missouri sponsored a series of billboards asking, “What’s Forgivable?” The general consensus in the local media was only sex offenders were unforgivable [12]. Some even stated sex offenders deserve “The Mark of Cain.”

But the Bible is very clear on forgiveness, on God’s giving grace, on repentance, and penance. With the exception of Christ, virtually every great Biblical hero fell short and committed great sins. Even mighty King David had one of his most faithful servants killed to hide the fact he impregnated his servant’s wife. God gave punishment, but after David repented God granted mercy and favor upon him. God even granted mercy to the first biblical villain, Cain; the “Mark of Cain” was not a scarlet letter, but a mark of protection from would-be vigilantes exacting revenge for his crimes. Cain was also allowed a wife and founded a city.

Don’t you see? By not allowing Derek to sneak around children we’re defying the sweet baby Jesus who even now weeps in horror at the commonsense steps society uses to protect children from people who prey upon them sexually. What kind of monsters won’t forgive poor, tortured Derek Logue? We evil Pagans of course, who Logue has some rather odd notions about.

Logue also blogs under the name “Warped Ohio,” which in true sexual sadist fashion is a handle he created to mock a well known sexual abuse survivor. Using that handle he vomited forth this swirling mass of lies and venom directed at me and several other Pagans (and people he thinks are Pagans) who have recently had the unmitigated gall to forget all about him:

Most AZU members, like Dodia Fae, BRD, and Rob Taylor, claim PAGANISM as a religion. Paganism does believe in free love, does not believe in lifelong marriage (instead opting for a one year long “handfast”), and other assorted sexual beliefs not mainstream in the eyes of Americans. It is ironic, then, they formed a group called “Pagns Against Child Abuse.” That’s like saying “Klan Members Against Lynching” or “Al-Qaida Members Against Suicide Bombings.”

I just found it ironic in light of Taylor-trash’s recent article:


How ironic. AZU goes into a place, makes outlandish accusations, then cries about getting “banned:”

In any case, it is disappointing, but not surprising, that a popular gathering place for Wiccans would become a place that welcomes child rapists and ended up banning every member of PACA who spoke out against the grooming of children by adults. What is surprising is how openly vicious the Wiccan members of PaganSpace were toward child advocates. Women who criticized men in their 40s, 50s and in one case 60s for sending sexually suggestive cartoons to girls as young as 14 or 15 were told they were acting “Christian” and PACA itself was said to be endangering children.

“The offenders themselves, still quite active on PaganSpace as of this writing, were allowed to threaten and harass PACA members, including women, after they were tipped off to the fact that many had been reported to the proper authorities.

Cry us a river, Taylor.

At any rate, they’re part of a religion that rejects the legal, God-given boundaries of sexuality, so what do they expect? But then again, with AZU its a matter of hating people, NOT about protecting children. Hate groups are no more religious than businesses that sell private information. PACA is no more religious than the “White Knights.”

Says the man who raped a child. I should clarify a couple of things for Derek and any of his new friends from The Cypress Times who need some remedial instruction in Paganism, morality, and how the two intersect.

While there may be some Pagans who embrace “free love,” it is not a doctrine in any of the dozens of religious traditions that make up modern Paganism. “Free love,” polyamory, or any other sort of odd sexual fetishes are no more prevalent in Paganism than in any subculture where one may run into women who try to make up for their lack of physical attractiveness and social graces with amorality and promiscuity. In other words, Wiccans, for instance, are no more likely to throw caution and self-respect to the wind and become the permanent third wheel in some 40-year-old nerd’s Gor fantasy than P.E.T.A. workers or the ladies from Code Pink.

I have never heard of this one-year handfasting doctrine but I do know of quite a few “handfasted” Pagans who were legally married in the ceremony. I myself am legally married and have been with my wife almost 20 years, though admittedly we weren’t handfasted, we simply ran by the justice of the peace on our way to a New England honeymoon. But let’s say for a second that both Logue’s charges about Pagans were true and I was some free wheeling hippie sex cultist marrying women for one year stints while having orgies every full moon.

So what?

Why would adults having consensual sexual relations, no matter how distasteful others may find it, invalidate those same adults’ work to protect children from predation by degenerates like Logue? Is it part of Logue’s “God-given sexuality” to equate raping children with adults having consensual sex? Is it the Christian view that Pagans having sex with each other is the same as adults raping children?

Logue’s new found Christianity is amusing. A one time Devil worshiper and admitted animal abuser who cut himself, Logue spends his time on the Internet writing messages like this to women who took issue with the false claims he made in his Cypress Times article:

 Unlike the3 cunts at AZU I reference everything. My website’s full of them. Unlike this trash. Learn to read you dumb fucking cunt. Fuck off. When you tell me your source where you read Patty Wetterling has a sex offender son, I’ll give you what you want. Or you can give me your address and I’ll give you a CD with every reference. You’re not scared, are you? How does it feel to be thoroughly ignored and ridiculed by everyone in the real world?

Doesn’t sound very Christian does it? More importantly it sounds like a threat from a person who has yet to repent from his sinful ways. I may be mistaken, but during my academic studies of Christian religions I was told by reverends and other clergy who taught courses that what was requisite for Christians to receive forgiveness was for them to repent and repudiate their sins. Derek Logue has done neither but continues to operate a Web site dedicated to minimizing his crimes and normalizing child sexual exploitation. Logue has never repudiated this statement he made about his victim:

My victim was a follower. She acted different away from her sister. Anyways other people got in trouble over her. Today she’s either 16 or 17. She has a GIRLFRIEND now. She has the reputation of being wild and of loose morals. A regular Lolita enjoying her illicit relationships…I have at least some buffer in knowing she was corrupt long before I met her.

These are hardly the words of a man seeking forgiveness.

But Logue is not really the issue here. I’d have probably ignored his tirades if it weren’t for the entrance into this little drama of John Winder’s The Cypress Times. Winder shut down the comments on Logue’s piece because they were “inflammatory,” but he didn’t remove the piece itself which is riddled with demonstrably false information. I must say I did not see the comments so I am in no position to say they were or were not heated or intemperate. But were they more intemperate than Logue’s trail of outrages?

Winder claims to run a Conservative Christian magazine which is now palling around with a man who is actively working to have the age of consent lowered. I would ask Winder, what would his Jesus do in his shoes? Would Jesus allow a man to bear false witness against his neighbors and more importantly his victims? Would he not demand that Logue truly repent?

I’m interested in what Winder’s online operation was thinking when they allowed Logue to use their forum as a platform for his nihilistic agenda. I’m more curious as to why they stopped opposing views from challenging him. The Cypress Times has run anti-gay and implicitly racist posts including a piece declaring Episcopal Churches apostate and describing Africa as “a continent known for the practice of witchcraft and other demonic activities, a continent that was for years an intense focus of Christian missionary zeal due to its pervasive spiritual darkness from which it earned its ignoble nickname “The Dark Continent.

Clearly The Cypress Times doesn’t shy away from “inflammatory” language. Why are they shying away from the truth? Why provide cover for this degenerate to spew his venom? My only answer is that like Logue, Winder has a very different definition of Conservatism than I do.

Update: Oy! Derek Logue went and Freeped himself. Or at least The Cypress Times decided to. Publisher John Winder responded to my request for a statement by emailing me this steaming pile nonsense wrapped in faux patriotism:

I wrote an article called:  The Monster Next Door:  The Plague of American Sex Offenders

Mr. Logue disagreed with the content, tone, and information in my article and submitted an Op/Ed piece of his own:  The Myth of Monsters:  The Plague of Sex Offender Panic

Mr. Logue was “allowed” to write the Op/Ed because The Cypress Times supports Free Speech.  We support it in deeds and action, not merely with lip service.  We support it even if we don’t agree with the content.

I also am a firm believer in the sanity, rationality and intelligence of our Christian readers.  None of whom would fear Mr. Logue or his words.  None of whom would be fooled or taken in by the words that ring less than true no matter how well written nor in what form presented.  Mr.  Logue was successful in stirring up quite a number of supporters for his piece, but not a one I suspect from our core 184,000 readers.

In terms of the Christian perspective on Sex Offenders, pedophiles, etc., I can only offer my-Christian perspective.  All sinners are to be forgiven.  But forgiveness comes ONLY after repentance.  The unrepentant do not get God’s forgiveness.  There is no promise or hope offered to the unrepentant.  It is my wish as a Christian that everyone would come to know Christ, to turn from their sin, repent and be saved….even a Pedophile.  That’s difficult to swallow at times, particular given the horrific nature of a pedophiles crime, but I cannot expect or ask forgiveness for my sins, if I am unable to ask the same for my fellow man.

Thanks for your inquiry.

God Bless,

John G. Winder

The question then is why Winder shut down the comments if he is such a strong believer in free speech?

Update: Logue responds! With racism and a long winded misstatement of the facts. Of particularly amusing note is this portion where Logue accuses me of being a commie!

Poor Robbie Taylor. A man so confused to his identity, he can’t even identify with a race, religion, or sexual orientation. Perhaps that is why he feels the need to bash people with his incessant communist/ zionist rants.

Ha! I’m Biracial, a polytheist and straight as an arrow for future reference. I just happen to think of myself as American first, tolerant of others’ religion (when they deserve it) and supportive of Gays. But I thought long time readers would get a kick out of me being called a Communist. I’m to the right of Pinochet!

I am a proud Zionist however.

13 thoughts on “Gay-Bashing, Child Raping “Conservative Christian” Derek Logue Claims Pagans Have No Morals!

  1. You missed a few of Logue’s aliases. He also goes by Stupid. That and any combination to the effect of “I hate Stitches” or somesuch. And let’s not forget how much he likes posting as Anonymous. He really lets his hair down when he thinks he’s anonymous, and says the most outlandish, offensive things. He also admits to some things he’d probably rather not have people know about. But that’s a whole other story.

  2. I guess you don’t know about the law, do you? Slander and defamation, obscenities, making death threats, and false allegations are not the same as free speech. You assholes expect to say what you want about others but expect everyone else to listen or entertain you? No one takes a clown like you seriously. But what does one expect from a Looney-Toon who thinks 9/11 is a communist conspiracy? By the way, get your facts straight. Nowhere is Mr. Logue diagnosed with pedophilia, nor was he convicted of rape. That is a lie that the anti-Christian pundits like yourself like to spew because you cannot attack the truth. Unlike your fluff piece, Mr. Logue’s article had a little something called “valid references.” Wikisposure is an AZU/ Pee-J plant as valid as a three-dollar bill.

  3. Derek Logue was convicted of 1st degree sexual assault of a 11-year-old girl. That’s rape in common parlance excuse me for not splitting hairs.

    It’s interesting that you claim I’m defaming you when you’re the one claiming I am a truther. Also it’s amusing that you think a man who raped an 11-year-old is better off not being diagnosed as a pedohile. I guess being a garden variety pervert is better?

    You present me with three legitimate references in that online carnival of crackpottery and I’ll give you a $100 gift card. That goes for any one. Show me three legitimate references that support Logue’s article and win $100 (virtual) dollars!

  4. Damn! That $100 would sure come in handy for the holidays, what with having 2 boys to buy gifts for now. It’s too bad that there just isn’t a single legitimate reference for that “online carnival of crackpottery” to be found, Rob. Oh well…

  5. Derek And “Rob Taylor Sucks”,

    Please you two, get a life. Especially you “Rob Taylor Sucks”. Cowardly hiding behind your arm chair like this?

    Oh, and Derek, stop pretending that you’re a sinless Christian when you’re not. If the Christian prophecy were ever true about the Mark of the Beast, your own sins would not save you from it.

  6. Rob Taylor,

    I wonder if Derek Logue has heard the old adage “those who live in glass house should not throw stones” It applies to him.

  7. The Cypress Times is officially on my s-list for giving a platform to this sicko. The publisher can claim he published Logue’s nonsense because he supports free speech “in deeds and action, not merely with lip service,” but l I bet if I submitted an article in favor of civil unions (or *gasp*, gay marriage) it wouldn’t get published.

  8. Oh, but Rob, didn’t you hear? According to good ol’ DL, that 11 year old little girl was “a regular Lolita”, who was apparently corrupt long before he got his grubby mitts on her.

    Hey Jenn, maybe you aught to submit that article to TCT… let’s see if he’s got the balls to prove that he really supports free speech. Maybe Rob can double his money on that bet (if he bets against it getting published on TCT, that is.) May as well double it since it doesn’t look like he’ll be awarding it to anyone for this particular challenge.

    BTW, “Rob Taylor Sucks”, nice way to show that you’re repentant. I think a better way to go about it would be to stop trying to downplay your crimes and post a public apology to your victim (at least the one that you got put on the SOR for raping) for what you did to her and for all the nasty things you’ve said about her, without the expectation that she’ll accept your apology. That would at least be a start. You should be begging her and her family for forgiveness.

  9. It’s kinda odd that this Derek Logue thinks that he is a Christian. I mean, last time I checked(a few moments ago), Jesus said “If any man should harm a child, it is better that a milstone be tied around his neck and he be cast into the sea”
    I mean, it’s pretty much in black and white right there. You harm a child, you should kill yourself(or at the very least you should be killed). If your own religious leader doesn’t approve of harm of children, then maybe you should really rethink your position.
    But you won’t Derek, because to be honest, if you were repentant, you wouldn’t be trying to blameshift, threaten folks with murder(There’s some lovely entries in a blog where he threatened the blogwriter), or even associate with those who harm children or others.
    But it’s all about power for you. You assume that because you are a white “christian” male, you should molest/rape/kill whatever you wish. Thankfully there are Christians that are not like you, but sad to say, they are a rare few.
    I’m not Christian though. I’m not even pagan. I’m part of that evil atheist conspiracy that you freepers whisper about. Well, more like the little sister to said EAC. I’m agnostic. And what I was taught by my mother(god rest her soul) was that you know whose a christian by their fruit. There’s nine if I’m correct.
    Let’s go down the list:
    Love, Joy,Peace, Kindness,Goodness,Faithfullness,Gentleness, and Self-Control.
    Let’s see that in everyday life:
    Love gives you the ability to respect a person who differs from you.
    Joy gives you the possibility to endure life’s trials.
    Peace is the knowing that after you’ve done all you can, God will pick up the slack.
    Kindness is the ability to be kind. Not really hard.
    Goodness is the ability to do good for good’s sake.
    Faithfulnes is the “sticktoitness” of life. It’s needed for marriage, friendships, and your relationship to God.
    Gentleness is the ability to hold back what you really want to say, and talk or act like a rational person. It’s kindness on sterorids.
    Self-Control is the ability to deny one’s self. To resist the id and ego.
    Dear, you don’t have any of these. You don’t have love, because you threaten. 1 Cor 13 says that love is patient,kind, and slow to anger. You are not slow to anger.
    You don’t have Joy or Peace because you spend time literally being uuber emo. Having emotions and being emotional is not bad. Being uuber emo is bad when all you convey(that means show) are bad emotions: the urges to cut, the desire to harm folks, and the rage.
    You don’t have kindness or gentleness because instead of talking to your “enemies” like they are people, you dehumanize them with putdowns. Calling a woman a cunt is a dehumanization move. It reduces her to a vagina, a sexual organ.
    You don’t have faithfulness because it appears to me and others that you became a Christian, not because you wanted to be saved from yourself, but honestly because you wanted to exert more power over those you think below you. Also, you seem to switch between wordly talk and christian talk with the quickness of a cheetah.
    You don’t have self-control because 1) you’ve harmed animals, 2) you can’t stop cutting, and 3) you’ve slept with an 11 year old, and if left unchecked would do it again. That’s why you want the Age of Concent to be lowered. So you can, in “good concience”(if you have one) screw a kid willy nilly.
    Also, the whole making jokes about someone who is biracial is possibly the most juvenile thing you could do. I’m from a multi-racial background(but I claim black) and am proud of it. Yes, our gatherings are like the meetings at the UN but I love it.My sexual preference is adults only. Unlike your idea of what “ungodly” folks do, I actually only date one person. I may marry him, if I so chose. I don’t need a man to define me. I’ve never been to an orgy. If I have, I must have slept through it. I have some of the things you talk about(cutting,Bipolar, and panic disorder) but the obvious difference between you and I is that despite the fact I’ve never liked kids sexually, is that I know how to tell myself NO. I know that if you have a mental disorder it’s really hard to do that, but you have to. If you don’t you become no better than a five year old who hasn’t been taught how to use the restroom. You say you’re a big boy(or girl) but keep crapping and peeing everywhere.
    And also, you chose this lifestyle of the pedophile. It was not thrust upon you by a deity(in the way of sexual preference, race,place of orgin, or even eye color). You choice it. You knew her, groomed her, and ultimately molested her. You may have not been the first who got there, but you know what? You could have stopped, told yourself no, and walked away. No one is going to put down a person for turning down an 11 year old. But since you refused to control your libido, you have to suffer the consequences. Just as if I steal something from a store,get in a car wreck and kill someone because I was too drunk to care, or get obese from overeatting I deserve to be called a thief, a drunk, or an obese person. Even when I repent(which means TO TURN COMPLETLY AWAY FROM..not just feel sorry that you got caught), I should know that this will continue to go on until I live a righteous life. Often times even unto death. My life should speak for me first. And words second.
    But you’re a kiddy diddler, with sadly the fallback rate of 25 percent within 15 years. But it is possible to break free from it. It just takes alot of stregnth, therapy, desire to change, and forced chemical castration.
    But sadly, from what it looks like, you’re going to be that 25 percent.

  10. You’re all nuts and you all rape children. Pagans, Xtians, whatever. Religious people are scum.

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