Stacy McCain Knows I Didn’t Compare Him to John Wayne Gacy

This was originally published on Greenville Dragnet

Though his little LGF like cult of degenerates, “Men’s” movement sissies and neo-nazis, (sorry, I mean “neo-Confederates”) probably don’t because like any  gathering of losers who invest their lives in some guy they take his word as gospel. And Stacy McCain is, among other things, a liar.

What am I talking about? A recent post by McCain called Nobody’s Fault but Mine which is his sixth or seventh attempt to explain away his theory that date rape victims are morally responsible for their own victimization. The title is ironic because the post mostly claims people who criticized him overreacted and are thus to blame for this whole fiasco. McCain mentions me in passing, but just long enough to threaten me (saying near the end of the piece I was on a “short list I didn’t want to be on” whatever that means)  and lie about what I wrote:

As I say, the argument I actually made wasn’t quite the same as the argument I intended to make and my invocation of Hunter S. Thompson’s maxim — “Buy the Ticket, Take the Ride” — particularly offended people. Recognizing that I was in violation of the First Law of Holes, I stopped digging. And then a blogger I never heard of compared me to serial killer John Wayne Gacy, falsely describing me as part of the so-called “Men’s Movement.”

The Men’s Movement groupies he has will be shocked to find that out. But the big lie here is that I compared McCain to Gacy. I didn’t. Here’s the quote from my piece:

John Wayne Gacy gained control of many of his victims by getting high with them and sometimes offering to show them a “magic trick” which involved being put into handcuffs. According to McCain, the thirty-three young men Gacy raped, tortured and murdered “bought the ticket” to that ride when they trusted their killer.

It’s pretty clear I was talking about McCain’s theory, not claiming he was “like” Gacy. But lest you think this is some sort of misunderstanding McCain already knew that on December 8th, when he emailed me after the piece originally went up. I will publish the full content of those emails here and will forward them to anyone who wants them. I present to you Stacy McCain in all his mincing glory:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:21 AM
subject    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

May I ask what inspired that? I mean, out of all the things in all the world that you could have blogged about Tuesday, your top priority was to attack me? To accuse me of exhibiting a “hug-a-thug” mentality, “nihilism,” etc.? Does this look like “hug-a-thug” to you?

Do you have any idea how much work I did covering the Culture Wars — interviewing Wendy Shalit, Judith Reisman, Robert Knight, Phyllis Schlafly, Michelle Malkin, etc. — from 1997 onward? It is extremely unfortunate that the Washington Times has failed to maintain its online archives pre-2007, but I’ve got the Nexis docs on my hard-drive, if you’d care to see any of it.

Robert Stacy McCain
Co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of
DONKEY CONS: Sex, Crime & Corruption in the Democratic Party

Like the way he worked in some plugs? This email seems to be quite a different tone from the one he takes about me in his new piece. Here’s the reason:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Oh, did I not link to the piece I was responding to? Let me check.

No, it’s there. You mitigating the responsibility of criminals for their own criminality by claiming that victims play a role in their own victimization. I think that’s important but I’m eccentric in that way.

Thanks for reading!

Rob Taylor

I was up rather late that day! I am a confirmed night owl. Stacy, like Tom Cruise, is not a fan of glibness:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:28 AM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Is it wrong to warn people out of harm’s way? Are crime-prevention training and self-defense classes “mitigating criminality”?

The woman who hooks up with a stranger — and that’s what happened with Assange in Sweden — is putting herself at risk, period. How are those “pro-sex feminists” who encourage such behavior exempt from your (allegedly) conservative criticism while those of us who warn against hook-ups and criticize the culture that promotes hook-ups are “mitigating the responsibility of criminals”?

What sort of warped mental prism produces the kind of bizarre distortions that lead you to think it fitting or fair to compare me to serial killer John Gacy?


Ah, the infamous comparison rears its head. It should also be noted that in this paragraph he even lies about the contents of his own post. In no part of his piece did he talk about the importance of self-defense training for women. He said women who hook up with strangers “buy a ticket” on the date rape express. But here is were I explain to him that I didn’t compare him to Gacy:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:55 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

You’re being disingenuous now and I’m not interested. You’re not recommending self-defense training – you’re claiming victims who have done something you disapprove of have it coming.

This isn’t about Feminists, it’s about you. You linking to a site that promoted legalizing child porn (Roissy) you claiming that date rape wasn’t a crime by putting it in quotes, you defending depravity at it’s most obvious then claiming to be a social conservative.

I’m not sure how much you drink or get high per day so I’m not sure if you literally believe I said you’re like John Wayne Gacy or if even in private email exchanges you can’t help but lie. My point, as I suspect you know, is that in essence Gacy’s victims were “date raped” as you call it and thus, according to you and your “Men’s” Movement pussies, responsible for their own victimization.

There is only one person responsible for any crime – the criminal. I have always advocated strong self-defense laws, but I won’t pretend your ill-conceived attack on Feminism through rape victims is anywhere near the same as that.

Grow up a little.

Rob Taylor

So, to be clear, my quote doesn’t say he’s “like” Gacy and on December 8th I was gracious enough (in my own way to be sure) to explain to him that I was not comparing him to Gacy. His response?

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:14 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

1. This is the second time you’ve accused me of being part of the so-called “men’s movement,” which I’m not.
2. The link to Roissy was a reference — and it was impossible to miss as such — to their endless discussions of “game,” i.e., recreational-seduction strategies. It’s like linking to a feminist site (which I did) in discussing feminist theory. A link is not an endorsement, and I certainly don’t pay enough attention to Roissy to be aware of everything they say about every issue.
3. Your obsession with Gacy — or rather, your repeated attempts to project your obsession onto others — is disturbing. You are not a psychic and your arrogant “I know what you’re thinking” pretense of omniscience fools no one, except perhaps fools.
This isn’t my first time in the rodeo. I’ve been through a flame-war or two. (Or twenty.) So if what your are communicating is your intent to continue this fruitless attack, so be it.

I didn’t realize illustrating a point with a famous crime case was obsessive.

But notice that his response to me saying he was making up the fact that that I compared him toJohn Wayne Gacy was to claim I was obsessed with John Wayne Gacy, but he never to refuted my contention that I made no such comparison. McCain knows I didn’t compare him to Gacy, but he also knows the kind of people who frequent his site won’t bother to read my piece to figure that out. A good place to end, but lest I be accused of leaving anything out I’ll show you how we left things.

Surprise! I was extremely rude to him. But he did buy that ticket when he emailed me, so he had to take the ride:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:50 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

A) If you walk like a duck … or in this case a misogynist don’t be surprised when people think you are one. Men’s movement sissies are defending you, your theory is one that has floated around their sites for years and what? You’re upset for being lumped in with people who you agree with on an issue? Really? I suppose I should be disgusted to be lumped in with Perverted Justice.

B) Since you have promoted Roissy-like views on feminism, rape victims and women in general I find your ignorance of the site and the Men’s Movement in general dubious at best.

C) I am in fact psychic, this is quite well known. Readings start at $25. But more to the point my “obsession” with Gacy is that he was, essentially, a date rapist, and you’re defending date rape. Even you see the connection, surely.

I’d also point out that I’m not interested in communicating anything to a degenerate. You’re no different than any of the people who show up to a crime blog claiming some woman got what was coming, or that pedophilia is normal or whatever. Blog war? The fact that you think telling your fellow degenerates that I suck in a series of blog posts is some sort of threat really puts you in perspective.

I’m onto you. You’re no different than Charles Johnson with your thin skinned screeching and endorsement of hurting people. Go ahead and and attack me for pointing out your own depravity, which you vomited on to the Internet for that collection of pedophiles, sex offenders and drug users who love such posts to lap up. If that makes you feel like your god won’t punish you for defending people who prey on others have fun.

Now stop emailing me.

Oh snap! But like one of the feminists McCain rails about so often he was unwilling to accept the idea that a man had no interest in listening to his nonsense. He tries one last time to keep our conversation going:

from    Robert McCain
to    Rob Taylor
cc    Stacy McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

“Men’s movement sissies are defending you”

Where? Who? I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and I’m beginning to suspect that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, either.

At which point things turn ugly:

from    Rob Taylor
to    Robert McCain
date    Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:33 PM
subject    Re: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

What part of stop emailing me don’t you understand? Or is stalking just another crime you endorse? No means no!

But now it’s all making sense. The ruder I am to you and the harder I try to brush you off the more you want my attention. Not that I recommend him because he was kind of a douche but have you ever read Anton LaVey’s essay on misogyny? It posits that misogynists are all closeted homosexuals who hate women because secretly they desire the attention of men and can’t compete with the women, especially one who is overtly sexual. A little un-PC these days but I think he was on to something.

I have a similar theory about rape apologists I call the Tennessee Williams syndrome.

That said, I’m married so your wasting your time.

Rob Taylor

OK. That last one might have been a little over the top, but who the F#@% is Stacy McCain to demand I run out and give him the links and comments of every last nut who loves his writing while I’m trying to watch Cavuto?

Look, I get it. McCain thinks he’s important because he’s in some clique of big name bloggers and he wants people to stroke him over  his mighty accomplishment – of running a semi-popular website. Of course it’s mostly popular with Neo-Confederates, White Nationalists, perverts, rape apologists, pedophile apologists and a host of “Social Cons” who think law and order isn’t as important as attacking ideological opponents.

In other words it’s like DailyKos for people who claim to be on the right.

But if McCain had just said “Rob Taylor is kind of a jerk” I’d have said that was fair and ignored him. But instead he’s Charles Johnsoning me, lying about what I wrote then sending his minions to Newsreal to claim that I shouldn’t be allowed to freelance there because I dared criticize Dear Leader McCain. It’s pathetic.

I agree with Tommy Christopher on the very over rated McCain, if he’s so smart and such a great writer why has it’s taken him five or six different posts to “clarify” what he said about rape? My theory is because what he wrote was indefensible and he didn’t realize how disgusted people would be by his blatant immorality when he wrote it . That’s what the lies about me in his piece are really about. McCain is using blogers who “attacked” him as a distraction designed to rally his cult and get the conversation off his degeneracy and onto something else. I’m told at this point they’re even “exposing” me as a Pagan in the comments which would be quite the scoop – if I hadn’t been open about my Paganism on my sites since I started blogging.

McCain is a liar and everyone knows it. When will the right stop taking people like this seriously?

Wiccans a Little Too Desperate to Distance Themselves from “Wiccan” Murder Suspect Angela Sanford

And the Associated Press is doing their damnedest to help out. Wicca gets caught between a rock and a hard place in incidents like these. On the one hand, Wiccan theology claims a link between modern Wicca and some mythical religion that stretches back into prehistory, which leaves them being in the position of defending the practices of “ancient pagans” who as a matter of historical fact were known to sacrifice people. On the other hand Wiccans, who are predominantly urban liberals with little tolerance for The Old Ways (as their constant maligning of Voodoo and Santeria illustrates quite nicely) often feel the need to be accepted by mainstream (leftist) society which means they often embrace attitudes concerning magic, faith, and the universe that are at odds with any religious world view.

It doesn’t help that Wiccans were targeted during the Satanic Panic. Of course, they didn’t help their own cause by embracing Gavin and Yvonne Frost, two Wiccans who promoted ritual child sexual abuse in their early writings. However, the targeting of Wiccans in the 80s and 90s, and the subsequent reemergence of conspiracy theories often involving Satanism on some level (like 9/11 “Truth”) amongst the left, means mainstream Wiccans are harder pressed to ensure that their ideological fellow travelers understand that they have nothing to do with anything that could be construed as “Satanism” or supportive of ritual crime.

Which leads us to the story at at hand. 3o-year-old Angela Sanford of New Mexico stabbed 52-year-old Joel Leyba to death in the desert last month, during the Spring Sabbat. She claims he tried to rape her, but cops say the evidence doesn’t fit her story, especially after looking at her phone where they found Leyba’s contact information.

She nicknamed him “Sacrifice” on that contact list:

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A self-described Wiccan had a man’s phone number programmed in her cell phone under the word “sacrifice” before she stabbed him to death, then claimed he had tried to rape her, authorities said Thursday.

Angela Sanford, 30, is accused of killing 52-year-old Joel Leyba last month with a dagger after inviting him to join her in a Wiccan celebration of spring near a popular hiking trail east of Albuquerque.

She told police she stabbed Leyba three times in the stomach after he tied her up and tried to assault her.

But police say Leyba was stabbed 11 to 13 times, and a detective reviewing Sanford’s cell phone found the nickname “sacrifice” instead of Leyba’s name.

“It makes us absolutely confident there was something more here than her claims of self-defense,” said Patrick Davis, a spokesman for the Bernalillo County district attorney’s office.

Sanford was indicted Wednesday by a Bernalillo County grand jury. Her bond has been set at $500,000.

Now here’s where the A.P. tries a little too hard to help the Wiccans clean up this mess:

Wicca is an earth-based religion, derived from pre-Christian religions and magical practices, that promotes a peaceful and balanced lifestyle. The Wiccan spring celebration normally is held at the end of April.

Members of Wiccan groups in Albuquerque have said they do not know Sanford.

Yeah, that’s actually one of the better descriptions of Wicca I’ve seen. It splits the difference between their claims of ancient wisdom and the reality of Gerald Gardner creating the first Wiccan covens in the 20th century, but Wiccans, Pagans, and others will see a problem with this statement. The Wiccan “spring celebration” is the Vernal Equinox (or Ostara) and happens around March 21st. Beltane happens May 1st in most traditions. An odd mistake, no? But a convenient one designed to make it look like Angela Sanford had no idea what she’s talking about it seems.

This article from the reliably leftist True Crime Report was filed on Wednesday, March 24th and claims the murder happened that previous Monday. That would place the murder on … the Vernal Equinox. Some reports are also claiming that the man was stabbed 13 times, but I’ve also seen the police quoted as saying “between 11-13” so that might be just seasoning on an already juicy story. But the Wiccan claim that Ostara and Beltane are one only undermines the Wiccan cause, and shows how far modern Wicca has fallen from the time when it was a vibrant tradition of people interested in searching for truth by reclaiming their pagan past. Now it’s a P.R. firm for teenagers who want to wear pentagrams; a group of people who spend more time explaining away Witchcraft than actually practicing it.

As for the wider Wiccan community not knowing her, this is meaningless. Most Wiccans are active online and only the gods know what sort of people she was associating with there. Her MySpace has been deleted, and of course there are now people claiming that her page was covered in Biblical quotes, but my sources say that her religion was listed as Wiccan and that the majority of the page was covered in vampire and Wiccan images and thoughts. If anything, she sounds like she came across older Witchcraft material like Paul Huson’s (excellent) Mastering Witchcraft, which doesn’t shy away from Judeo-Christian magical practices and their influence on Witchcraft.

Now before you even start Wiccans, I am not saying Wicca performs human sacrifices; it does not. But Wicca has a very loose theology including the belief all gods and goddesses are in actuality the one god and goddess. Combined with very lax standards (necessarily so, to be fair) for who gets to be called a Wiccan and a thriving online community that includes quite a bit of role playing it is to Wicca’s credit that more crimes aren’t committed in its name.

Instead, Wiccans tend to be victims of crime. Not from the modern day inquisition that populates the Wiccan mythical landscape, but by unscrupulous grifters who see the Wiccan community as priming people for financial and sometimes sexual exploitation. It’s no coincidence that PaganSpace and other online gathering spots for Wiccans attract “Gorians” and other men interested in sado-masochism, or child molesters. Wicca has done a piss poor job policing itself, mainly because to do so removes the hippyish charm of being part of an “earth centered” religion, and many young Wiccans pay the price for that lack of resolve.

But as I said in the comments of this The Wild Hunt report, Wicca does bear some responsibility. It is the dearth of occult knowledge, replaced with fantasy convention, mixed in with the faithless view of Wicca as a club rather than religion which convinces people like Sanford to adopt the mantle of Wiccan when they are in fact something else entirely:

The fast and loose “anybody who claims to be a Wiccan is one” mentality strikes again. Mass marketing nonsense as religion attracts people for whom Wicca can mean almost anything and no one challenges them on it. From what I’ve read of her she was an online ‘Wiccan” who seemed to blend PaganSpace style posturing with an image of Wicca that comes directly from supernatural romance.

Maybe Wiccans should spend less time telling people what they aren’t and more time thinking about who they are. Maybe embracing Wicca as a sub-culture rather than a faith means you attract people who don’t share your values. Maybe a general nod to New Age pabulum disguised as moral guidance isn’t sufficient to keep the Wiccan who converted while high after watching Charmed and getting her information from a teenager calling himself Silvermist Thunder DragonWolfe from acting out the fantasy she thinks Wicca is in the real world.

Ironically, I was just talking to another ex-Wiccan, born again Witch about this new trend we’ve seen of Wiccans claiming that Witchcraft and magic “are metaphors” or whatever. I told her know self-proclaimed Wiccan had the guts to practice good, old fashioned Witchcraft. I almost though I was going to be eating my words until I read up on the story and saw that she was just a paranoid weirdo (funny how they pop up in Wiccan circles) who probably thought she was killing a demon or something.

This was good coverage though, Jason. Although I’d point out that the Matamoras murders by Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo were technically done as a form of Witchcraft (a blend of Palo Mayombe which is considered Witchcraft and Gothic Satanism for lack of a better term) and there have been cases of Sante Muerte cultists sacrificing people but there is not of course a neo-Pagan element in either.

But couldn’t a person who has only read mass market books about eclectic Wicca have cobbled together a practice where human sacrifices were used? If Anglela Sanford used Meso-American gods as stand ins for the Wiccan God and Goddess (she is in their old stomping ground) it’s possible, no?

As I allude to above, Sanford likely cobbled together a practice of worship influenced by Reconquista groups active in the area as well as less than credible online sources. Two gang members in Mexico were caught burning the heads of victims in front of an altar to Sante Muerte, who many practitioners consider the reemerged goddess MICTECACIHUATL otherwise known as The Lady of the Land of the Dead. It is interesting to consider that in this aspect she is seen as a goddess of rebirth and regeneration, which is what pagans celebrate during the equinox.

I don’t know if Angela Sanford is guilty or if, as she claims, she simply was in a bad situation. Unlike many modern Wiccans I would be open to the metaphysical possibilities – her gods conspired to receive this sacrifice – were it not for the evidence on her phone. Given the location of this crime and the admittedly scant details I will call this one as the work of an amoral dabbler who placed power and its achievement over any moral code she had. It’s too bad Wicca doesn’t attempt to provide one anymore. Instead they have attempted to actually rearrange their sacred calendar to appease the very Christians they claim to oppose. This is a desperate attempt to maintain their image at any cost, including their integrity.

As a postscript to this I should say I have been somewhat surprised in the last few months to be contacted by quite a few Wiccans who were on the right, more “orthodox,” or otherwise find themselves on the outside looking in at modern Wicca. Like me they shared the view of Wicca losing its footing, either being too political or too much of a non-magical tradition. I am saddened by their plight, but cases like this (and mainstream Wicca’s reaction to it) proves that they are needed more than ever to help restore Wicca before it’s too late.

h/t Dreamin’ Demon. The Wild Hunt has extensive coverage of this case.

A.G. Eric Holder Protecting MS-13 Members Who Murdered Maryland Man

This is just outrageous. It goes beyond the hug-a-thug justice we expect from liberals and can only have sinister motives. MS-13 is one of the most violent and dangerous criminal gangs in the world and they are known to participate in racially motivated attacks on Black Americans and hate crimes again White Americans.

Holder doesn’t think this is something to be concerned with. From JudicalWatch:

Three illegal immigrant gang members who faced the death penalty for murdering a Maryland man last summer have been spared by the nation’s chief law enforcement officer who has ordered prosecutors not to seek the maximum punishment.

Attorney General Eric Holder intervened on behalf of the El Salvadoran gangbangers by directing federal prosecutors handling their conspiracy and murder case to rule out the death penalty, according to a Virginia-based news web site that broke the story this week. The three illegal immigrants are members of a notoriously violent street gang called Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) that has spread throughout the country like the plague.

Last summer they robbed and murdered a man in Virginia as part of a conspiracy to extort money from his prostitution business. A few months later the illegal alien gang members were indicted with federal racketeering and murder. Federal prosecutors indicated that they would seek the death penalty and a court-appointed attorney for one of the defendants was dismissed because he lacked the proper certification for trying a death penalty case.

Just a few weeks ago, defense attorneys prepared jury questionnaires that alluded to the death penalty and eliminated jurors who might discriminate against Latinos. But as the May trial approaches, Holder stepped in and ruled out the death penalty. He refuses to explain the last-minute order claiming that that the attorney general’s decision-making process and final decision involving the death penalty is confidential.

Court documents cited in the news report say that Holder “authorized and directed” the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, Neal McBride, “not to seek the death penalty” against the illegal immigrants. McBride subsequently filed a corresponding court document (Government’s Notice of Intent Not to Seek the Death Penalty) making it official.

What could possibly motivate this interference in the case? This is disgusting and will only signal to MS-13 that we are going to go easy on them which will not be good for the Americans who Holder is supposed to be protecting. So why is he doing it?

h/t Free Republic

The End is Near: 15-Year-Old Girl Sells 7-Year-Old Sister for Sex to at Least Seven Men at House Party

The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and reveling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.

The Call of Cthulhu

Clearly the world is coming to an end when stories like this not only occur but frankly they do so with alarming frequency. This time it happened in Trenton, NJ where decades of leftist social engineering have produced people so damaged and depraved that you could find a crowd of people whose only shared interest is going to a party that would leap at the opportunity to not only pay a teenager for sex but rape a 7-year-old girl:

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) – A 15-year-old New Jersey girl prostituted herself and her 7-year-old stepsister to have sex with as many as seven men and boys at a weekend party near their home in a crime-plagued neighborhood, police said.

Trenton police Capt. Joseph Juniak said Wednesday that the older girl started by taking money to have sex with several men at the party of a high-rise apartment. The teen then gave some of the money she had collected to the younger girl to let the men start touching her, Juniak said.

“It went from touching to straight out assault and rape,” Juniak said. “They threatened to kill her if she screamed or told anyone.”

The child later put on her clothes and left the apartment; her sister stayed. Two women found the child crying outside the apartment and walked her home.

The teen is charged with aggravated sexual assault, promoting prostitution and other crimes. Her name was not released because of her age. She was being held in a juvenile detention facility in Mercer County, but police did not know whether she had an attorney.

A spokeswoman for the county prosecutor’s office, Casey DeBlasio, said prosecutors would seek to have the teen tried as an adult.

That’s a start. But the story get worse:

Police believe as many as a dozen people were at the party. They are trying to track down the men and boys who attended and are reviewing building surveillance videos and additional arrests are expected.

Police said the girls were outside Sunday afternoon in the neighborhood when the 15-year-old ran into two young men she knew who invited her to a party at the apartment. Rather than leave the 7-year-old behind, the teen took her along.

At the party, the 15-year-old starting having sex with several of the men for money and then gave the younger girl some cash to let a group of men touch her, Juniak said. He would not say how much money was exchanged.

The girls’ parents reported them missing late Sunday afternoon. Police had just arrived at the home when the 7-year-old returned, Juniak said, and told her parents what happened.

So there were others at the party, some women, who allowed this to happen and still haven’t come forward? That’s not just criminal, it’s evil.

I don’t see how society can continue when we are raising children like this.

Why Did The Feds Raid The Hutaree Militia?

At this point, the F.B.I. led raid on the Hutaree Christian Militia does not pass the smell test, and more importantly, is eerily similar to the militarized Justice Department’s build up to the Waco massacre under Janet Reno. Even though we’ve been told some gun charges may be made against the people who have been arrested, the government has sealed the initial warrants so the public will not know what led to the raids in the first place:

Federal agents conducted raids over the weekend in Lenawee and Washtenaw counties that news media reports linked to Hutaree, a Christian-militia group in the area.

Agents also conducted raids in Indiana and Ohio and arrested at least three people. FBI spokesman Scott Wilson in Cleveland said agents arrested two people Saturday after raids in two Ohio towns. A third arrest made in northeast Illinois stemmed from a raid in northwest Indiana. The arrests are part of an ongoing investigation led by the FBI in Michigan, according to a statement from agents in Illinois.

The raids in Michigan took place Saturday and Sunday at undisclosed locations, said Detroit FBI Special Agent Sandra Berchtold.

“We can confirm that there were law enforcement activities in the Lenawee/Washtenaw County area,” Berchtold said.

But she added that “the federal warrants are sealed and we cannot comment at this time.”

Since the FBI is in charge we can infer that the gun charges were not what was in the warrants or else the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms would have been in the lead. But the government agents haven’t been shy about telling the media Hutaree is a “Christian militia,” which is odd considering the reticence they have about identifying Muslims involved in Jihad.

Speaking of which, buried in this report filed by The Detroit News we find a surprise appearance by the terrorist funding, Jihad supporting group CAIR which learned about the raid coincidentally while holding one of their fundraisers:

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group’s 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims.

“Don’t allow this news to scare you away from practicing your faith,” said Walid.

Audible gaps were heard throughout the banquet hall when the news was announced. Walid said he will call local authorities about more information on the allegations. He urged local Muslims to recommitt themselves to their faith in light of the accusations.

That article also quotes Mike Lackomar of the Michigan Militia as saying he heard from other militia members that Hutaree was raided because they had made threats against Muslim groups, though that quote is mysteriously absent from many other accounts. It is also odd that Hutaree itself doesn’t mention Muslims in their writings, but are mainly concerned with the supposed Anti-Christ they think is coming to power and the general Jesus freakery that is essentially harmless but does not wear well on a man in camouflage carrying an AR-15.

CAIR has a history of making false hate crime reports. Was this another CAIR set up?

Word on the street amongst the crazed survivalist community (of which I am proudly a member) is that Hutaree was literally a cult and some people claimed they actively promoted starting a civil war, but I personally have seen no evidence of the latter. I have seen some of their “training” videos and did not think they were the type of people I would associate with. Take that for what it is worth.

It is interesting though that despite the fact that at this point no Hutaree member has been caught acting violently, the feds came down on them like a hammer when just recently anti-American racist and ex-con Tom Metzger, founder of the White Aryan Resistance, was raided by the BATF who proceeded to do everything in their power to make things easy on him without actually giving him a backrub. He left this cheery comment on my post about the raid:

Tom Metzger said,

on March 24th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

I assume your from the bankrupt right wing.Thanks for the PR. Actually the ATF and I sat around and had a few beers that day. The right wing. THE BOWELL MOVEMENT

I’m betting the Hutaree members are hardly as sanguine right now. Of course, WAR and the other Aryan groups have long had an alliance with Marxists and Islamists so Metzger getting the kid glove treatment from a Marxist run D.O.J. that is openly preferential to Islamism is not a surprise.

But what is a surprise is a seemingly emboldened leftist government rounding up arm-chair commandos and a complicit media simply lapping up a narrative involving dangerous Jesus freaks that has not been supported by any evidence. As the Hutaree members make court appearances we’ll see what the government’s evidence is, but as of now, this stinks.

Update: Mike Lackomar told me all his information came from the media so it looks like The Detroit News misquoted him, accidentally I’m sure.

The Government is now claiming born again Christians Hutaree were planning on not only killing police officers but then desecrating the cops funerals by blowing up bombs designed to kill mourners. And if you’re thinking that sounds odd then you’re are correct as there has never been an incidence of Christians, extremist or not, attacking funerals since it would, you know, send them to Hell. The lead suspects ex-wife confirms that David Brian Stone had been growing more extreme in his views, but that Hutaree was primarily a Christian group.

The “threats against Islamic groups” narrative is still floating around (even making Drudge) but as of yet there is still no evidence supporting that.

Why would a group of God botherers assault a funeral. And why target beat cops at all when they would have been able to target Feds (who they may have actually believed were part of the anti-Christ’s army) or the United Nations headquarters? More importantly why would they have been plotting attacks at all since their theology put forward that their enemy will be attacking the world shortly?

This story sticks.